Ochr y Fforest

Ochr y Fforest (Edge of the Forest)

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In the tithe Ochr y Fforest was in Llandingat Without but is now in Llanfair-ar-y-bryn. The old name of Ochr y Fforest was Bwlchygrachied.1  A map dated 1858 shows Ochorforest as being over 223 acres and included Cwmmawr and Forest.2

The Nicholas family owned Ochr y Fforest for nearly a century, a John Nicholas was living there in 1803 and in the census of 1851 there is a Daniel Nicholas aged 58; and from 1871 to1891 it is John Nicholas. In 1901, Rees Williams aged 31 is living there, he eventually bought the farm in 1911.3 One of the descendants of John Nicholas (1872-1925) of Ochr y Fforest is Douglas Nicholas, a noted author in New York City. 

Ochryfforest is one of many dwellings using the name Fforest which was a hamlet of Llandovery which once was called Crug-y-blaidd or ‘Crucklebleith’ Forest.  It is believed to have been a hunting lodge in very early times for a manor called Gilfach near to the Tonn, Llandovery.      

Interesting field names:

Cae’r hwch sow’s field

Cae Mawr nesa nearest big field

Cae Mawr pella furthest big field

Cae buarth farmyard field

Cae Llwyd Ucha highest grey field

Sources:

1. D.T.M. Jones Part 4 of schedule 2698 1803, March 2 (NLW)

2. D. T. M. JONES (4) Part 4 of Schedule 2709 1852, Sept. 29 (NLW)

3. D. T. M. JONES (4) Part 4 of Schedule 10390-1 1911, June 19 SALE CATALOGUES (NLW)

Name of Recorder: Dafydd
Parish: Cil-y-cwm/Llanfair-ar-ybryn Cil-y-cwm now, used to be Llandingat Without
Current Name of Farm/Dwelling Ochr y Fforest
Interesting history/folklore associated with farm/dwelling. Please give details if relevant.

 

 

 

The old name was Bwlchygrachied (NLW).  The plan for 1858 shows Ochorforest as being over 223 acres and included Cwmmawr and Forest.

Interesting family history. Please give details, if relevant.

 

 

John Nicholas mentioned in 1803, NLW records.  Census 1851 – Daniel Nicholas aged 58; 1871-1891 – John Nicholas; 1901 – Rees Williams aged  31.

 

 

Field Number on Tithe Map Field Name on Tithe List Field Name on Estate Map

 

 

Field Name from other – list source Current Field Name Comments
  Homestead
Cae Beudy      
  Cae danty      
  Waun dan yr heol      
  Waun dan yr heol      
  Wood      
  The Grove      
  Cae’r hwch      
  Esger Isa      
       
  Cae Cart house      
  Esger Ucha      
  Cae ffynnonau      
  Cae war ty      
  Cae Ffynnon      
  Part of the Hill      
  The Hill      
  Cae Mawr nesa      
  Cae Mawr pella      
  Y Wern Ucha      
  Wood      
  Y Wern isa      
  Wood      
  Cae buarth      
  Wood      

 

  Field Number on Tithe Map Field Name on Tithe List Field Name on Estate Map Field Name from other – list source Current Field Name Comments
  Cae Llwyd Isa
  Wood
  Wood
  Cae Sgubor bach
  Cae Llwyd Ucha
  Cae Main
  Cae scybor
  Cae dryssi
  Part of Wayn Newydd
 
  1. T. M. JONES (4)

Part 4 of Schedule

 

2709

1852, Sept. 29

1 David Jones of Pantglas, co. Carmarthen, esq., M.P.

2 Thomas Williams of Placenewydd, parish of  Cilycwm , auctioneer

3 David Price of Penrhyw, parish of Llandingat, farmer

4 Daniel Nicholas of Ochorforest, parish of Llandingat, gent. 5 The said Thomas Williams

6 Charles Bishop of Llandovery, gent.

APPOINTMENT and RELEASE of the property specified in No. 2706 of 27 Oct. 1851, and fields called Cwmmawr or lands on the Forest, formerly purchased from John Williams of Llwynyberllan, adjoining to and for several years held with the said property of Ochorforest, hamlet of Forest, parish of Llandingat.

Endorsed on third sheet is:

1858

PLAN of Ochorforest, Cwmmawr, and Forest, parish of Llandingad.

 

2714

1863, Oct. 10

1 Thomas Williams of Tallog, Parish of  Cilycwm , co. Carmarthen., gent.

2 John Nicholas, now of Neuaddfawr, parish of  Cilycwm , yeoman

3 Charles Bishop of Llandovery, and Frederick Lewis of Llwyncelyn, parish of Llanwrda, gent.

4 Charles Bishop the younger of Llandovery, gent.

ASSURANCE for effecting a partition of the messuage and lands called Ochoryfforest, hamlet of Fforest, parish of Llandingat, limiting portions to the first and second parties in fee, assignment of a term of 500 years, and covenant to produce deeds, 1836-62.

Plan and schedules of field names, etc., endorsed

 

10390-1

1911, June 19

SALE CATALOGUES of properties in the parishes of Llandingat, Llanfair-ar-y- bryn, Llangadock, Llansadwrn, Llandilo and Llywel, and in the town of Llandovery, cos. Carmarthen and Brecknock, endorsed with an agreement by Rees Williams, Och[r]fforest Farm, to purchase Ochrfforest, parish of Llandingat, co. Carmarthen, and particulars of biddings.

 

  1. T. M. JONES MAPS AND PLANS

Deposited by Messrs D. T. M. Jones and Co., Solicitors, Llandovery, 1959

COMPILED BY D. GLYN EVANS, 1961

A18/11

Llandingat

Plan of Ochr-y-fforest [18NW] situate in the parish of Llandingate, in the county of Carmarthen. Ink and coloured field plan on wove-laid paper, accompanied by a schedule indicating field names and acreages. No scale [ 4ch.:1in?] n.d. [1840?] watermark – J. Whatman, Turkey Mill, 1837.

 

B52/41

Freehold Property. 15. 12. 1905.

Breconshire Llywel. Clynyfoel, Red Cow Farm, Carmarthenshire Llandingat. Ochryfforest, Sixteen freehold property in Llandovery; Llanfair-ar-y-bryn. Cwm-mawr, Caecrin; Myddfai Penucha’r Rhandir, Yr Arch. (with plans).

 

2698

1803, March 2

1 John Nicholas of the parish of Llanwrda, co. Carmarthen, gent., and Mary his wife (only child and heir of Thomas James, late of the parish of Llandingat, gent., deceased)

2 David Price of the parish of Llanwrda, gent.

3 Edward Jones the younger of Llandovery, and  David Jones Lewis  of the

parish of Llanwrda, gentn

DEED declaring the uses of a fine of the messuage and lands heretofore called Bwlch y Grachied and now called Ochor y Forest, at the Forest, parish of Llandingat, a piece of ground therewith held, being part of a hill called the Forest, parish of Llandingat, and the messuage and lands called Pen y rhiw, parish of Llanfairary bryn.

[Witnesses include W. Wozeneraft, Bwlchygwint]

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